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We are Ernie and Camille Rogers and we are the crew of More Good Timin'. We've been married 32 years and sailing for almost all of our years together. We are living our dream of cruising the United States, Bahamas and the Caribbean.

Friday, December 23, 2016

Merry Christmas!!  Where does the time go.  Once again, I am so very behind on my blog.  I'll try and catch up in an orderly fashion, lol!

In my last blog, I commented on the 3 tropical storms/hurricanes that we had this summer in Florida and hoping that was it for the season.  That wasn't it, and in October, Hurricane Matthew came roaring up the east Florida coast.  Jacksonville was set to take a direct hit but the storm passed by offshore sparing us from the truly bad part of the storm.  Fernandina Beach, the Jacksonville beaches and St. Augustine were not spared and incurred a great deal of damage.  Ernie and I prepared MGT for the blow and we went to Pensacola to wait out the storm.  It was a nice little vacation and everything was in good order when we returned.  The Marina at Ortega Landing where we kept MGT during the summer and fall, did a great job during the storm.  Staff was out walking the docks for the duration and posting pictures to their Facebook page so everyone could keep up with their boats.  Extra lines were added if necessary.  All the boats came through with flying colors.  The worst was a couple of shredded headsails.

More Good Timin' ready for Matthew

Boat damaged by Hurricane Matthew

A couple of weeks before Matthew, we experienced at big thunderstorm at the marina.  Lightning struck very close to us.  The stray current started our bow thruster  going and making a loud noise.  We were watching TV and immediately started shutting everything off to try and find where the noise was coming from.  The bow thruster controls were knocked out.  We had a technician over and he replaced/repaired the controls and we were good to go.  Or so we thought.

We watched the weather for weeks looking for an offshore weather window that never came.  We finally decided we would start heading down the ditch for our move south.  All our preparations were made and we were set to leave on Monday, November 7.  Except, when we started the engine and tested the bow thruster, it didn't work.  So the technician came back out and fixed it once again.  We left Jacksonville, the next day.

Leaving Jacksonville isn't that easy for a sailboat due to ongoing work on bridges going through downtown.  We left in time for the noon opening of the Main Street bridge.  But a railroad bridge before we got there was closed for repairs.  So, we anchored and waited.  We were able to transit the railroad bridge in time to make the next scheduled opening of the Main Street bridge at 4:15 pm.  We only went a few more miles and anchored for the night.

Exchange Island Anchorage outside of Jacksonville

November 9 - We picked up the ICW off the St. Johns River and headed to St. Augustine.  We spent the night in their mooring field.

November 10 - Continued down the ICW to Daytona Beach.  Water levels remained high since Hurricane Matthew which caused problems with bridge clearances.  Most fixed bridges on the ICW in Florida have a 65' clearance at high tide, we require 62.5' so we usually do not have a problem.  We were experiencing 63' clearance at low tide.  We were able to continue, just barely, but many sailboats with taller masts had to turn back to St. Augustine so they could continue south offshore.

November 11 - We stopped in Titusville for the night.  Nice marina and nice people.

November 12 - On to Melbourne for the night.  We treated ourselves with dinner out at the local restaurant.

November 13 - We traveled to Fort Pierce and stayed at the Fort Pierce City Marina.  We had spent a couple of months here before and I was looking forward to having dinner at The Tiki.  I guess the marina was really busy because this stop was not the good experience we had in the past.  We ate on the boat and were on our way the next morning.

November 14 - Next stop, North Palm Beach.  We were getting farther south and there are more bridges.  Most of the bridges are bascule bridges and have certain times they open.  We passed through 8 bridges in our last 8 or 10 miles.

November 15 - An unexpected stop at Riviera Beach.  Another 65' bridge but the clearance was under 62' when we arrived.  We anchored off the channel and waited for low tide.  By the time we could get under the bridge, it was too late to continue.
Sunset at Riviera Beach

November 16 - Finally, we are able to get out of the ditch and go offshore.  We had a really nice run to Fort Lauderdale.  We stayed at Las Olas Marina for the night.  If we had stayed in the ditch, the day would've been a short 45 miles but there were 21 bascule bridges we would need opened to keep going.

November 17 - Offshore again, yay!  This time to Miami.  We stayed at the Crandon Park Marina for 2 nights waiting for the wind to die down a little.

November 19 - Left  around 3 p.m. for an offshore run to Boot Key Harbor.

November 20 - Arrived at Boot Key Harbor around 8 am and picked up a mooring.  Thanks to our friend, Michael Gandy for making this overnight trip with Ernie.

We stayed at Boot Key Harbor for a month and enjoyed our time in Marathon.  Moored very close by was Bob Womble, a friend from home.  The weather was unseasonably warm and we didn't enjoy the hot nights so we made arrangements to move into a marina at Marco Island.  We had stayed at the Marco Island Marina for a month a couple of years ago and really enjoyed it so we looked forward to coming back.

We left Marathon on December 19.  We anchored that night at the beautiful Little Shark River anchorage.  The anchorage is peaceful and the wildlife abundant.  The only drawback is the bugs.  We had to stay inside the boat after dark.  The next day, November 20, we arrived at the Marco Island Marina.  The boat will be here through the end of March.  We're going to take some time off and go home to Texas for a visit.
Little Shark River Anchorage

I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.

Sunday, September 18, 2016

We're back!  We have completed a wonderful summer road trip in the RV and are back on More Good Timin'.  We really missed her!

On our road trip, we took the RV to Gloucester, VA; Washington, D.C.,  Gettysburg, PA; Hershey, PA; Niagara Falls, NY; Turning Leaf casino, NY; Sturbridge, MA; Rochester, MA; Accord, NY, Port Republic, NJ; Lancaster, PA; Colonial Beach, VA; Littleton, NC; Yemmassee, SC; Wildwood, FL and Clermont, FL.  The sightseeing was wonderful.  We have marked off many items from the bucket list.  The countryside in all these states is breathtaking.  We are already planning and looking forward to another extended road trip.

Our welcome home to MGT was Tropical Storm Julia on our 2nd night on board.  She was our 3rd storm for this season:  Tropical Storm Colin in May, Hurricane Hermine and Tropical Storm Julia in September.  I hope that is it for this season!!

We are going to hang around Jacksonville for a month or so before making our way south.  Camille is taking care of medical check ups and we'll stay until she's finished.  Our plan is to hang out in South Florida and the Keys for the cold months.  We also take into account that our plans are written in sand at low tide and can change with the changing of the tide (or a whim), so we just have to wait and see how things turn out!!

I'll keep the blog up to date on our travels as they happen.

 Tomb of the Unknown Soldier
 Marine Corps Silent Drill Team at Iwo Jima Memorial
 Niagara Falls
 Anchor Bar & Grill, Buffalo, NY
Home of the Original Buffalo Wild Wings

 Gay Head Cliffs, Martha's Vineyard
 Lighthouse, Martha's Vineyard
 Lighthouse, Cape May, NJ

 Pennsylvania Countryside
 Pennsylvania Countryside
 Space Launch 9.8.2016
Kennedy Space Center
Arlington Cemetery
Cape Cod Lighthouse

Wednesday, June 22, 2016

I last left us in Charleston, SC at the Charleston Harbor Marina.  This is a nice marina but it is a long walk from the docks to the bathhouse and an even longer walk to the parking lot.  We got a lot of exercise during our stay, which is probably a good thing since the food in Charleston is really good!

During our research on coming into Charleston, we read about the current.  All the guides and reviews recommended docking at slack tide.  We took heed and arrived at slack tide and fueled up and went onto our slip without much ado.  The current is brutal.  I watched a large power boat (45 - 50') try to leave while the current was running and ended up pushed into the bows of docked boats and unable to move.  They waited for slack tide and went on their way.  We timed our departure from Charleston to coincide with slack tide and left without incident.  More Good Timin' was handicapped due to her bow thruster being on the fritz which made it doubly important to leave without current.

The offshore trip to the St. John's River was about 24 hours with another 4 hours tacked on for the trip up the river to Jacksonville and the Marina at Ortega Landing.  The Marina at Ortega Landing is known for being a hurricane hole.  We are leaving MGT there for the summer while we search for cooler climes in the motorhome.

We took care of many boat chores that had stacked up during our move from Deltaville, VA.  Compond and wax was first on our list.  Now MGT looks pretty again.  We did our research and replaced the batteries on the bow thruster and voila, it works.  The Lifeline 4D's we were using were 6 years old and did not winter well in Virginia without support.  The house and start batteries were supported by the solar panels while she was on the hard and they faired well.  We removed all of MGT's canvas and her headsail,  cleaned up all the loose items in the cockpit, doubled tied all her lines and closed the thru-hulls.

All our preparations were made and we left on June 13 for Virginia where we picked up the motorhome and started our summer road trip.  We'll be using the Delorme inReach tracker for this trip if you're interested in following us.  https://share.delorme.com/MoreGoodTimin  This blog will remain inactive until we return in the fall to MGT for more boating adventures.

Have a happy summer and try and stay cool!

Thursday, May 5, 2016


More Good Timin' was splashed today. We docked her at Zimmerman's service docks and started work preparing her for our journey south. All the cushions, bimini, windshield and enclosure pieces, fenders, docklines, etc that had been stored inside the cabin for the winter had to be brought back outside and installed so we could move around in the cabin. I had worried about mold, mildew, insects or vermin inside the cabin after being on the hard for almost 8 months. I found a little mildew but she was in pretty good condition. The yard sent someone over after a couple of days to clean her inside and out.


We moved all our belongings from the motorhome to MGT today and placed the motorhome into a storage space. We'll be back for her in a couple of months and until then she's in a secure place.


We miscalculated when it started warming up in Virginia and showed up too early. It's too cold for these 2 old Texans to start a boat trip so we moved MGT to Dozier's Marina for a couple of weeks. A very nice marina with floating docks, clubhouse, pool, etc. While we were there, one of our boat neighbors backed into our car. The folks took care of having our car fixed and a rental car while our car was in the shop. So very nice to know that decent, honest people are still out there.

Ernie used this time to change the oil and other maintenance that needed doing before heading out. We provisioned the boat. We joined our friends Jim and Margie for dinner several times. They will be keeping our car for us until we dock the boat in Jacksonville, FL. They have been such good friends to us while we are in Virginia, they deserve a whole blog post. Thank you, Jim and Margie, we are blessed to have you as friends.


We left Deltaville bright and early and headed for Norfolk, VA. We arrived around 3:30 pm and stayed at Waterside Marina. A nice marina within a few blocks of Norfolk restaurants and nitelife. We had dinner on the boat and went to bed early. This boating is tiring!


Our departure was dictated by a bridge that would not open until 8:30 am. We arrived with a few minutes to spare and still had to wait another 20 or so minutes while work was being performed. Between Norfolk and our destination for the night, Coinjock Marina, we negotiated 4 railroad bridges, 1 bascule bridge, 5 fixed bridges, 1 lock, 2 swing bridges, and 1 lift bridge. Three of the fixed bridges were 65' tall and with our 63' mast, we had some real nail biters. We had dinner at the restaurant at Coinjock Marina and retired early again.


Our planned excitement for today was crossing the Abelmarle Sound. We had been advised to wait for calm weather and only cross in early morning or late afternoon when the winds were low. This particular crossing has a reputation for nasty seas. We crossed with a 20/25 knot north wind. The wind and waves were at our stern so the trip was bearable. No one exaggerated how nasty this sound could get. After the sound, we entered the Alligator River which was just as rough and nasty. Our planned anchorage for the night was now unacceptable so we pushed on. We also crossed under the Wilkerson Bridge, a 64' fixed bridge, with our fingers crossed and our hearts in our throats, but we made it. We stopped for the night at Dowry Creek Marina, just north of Belhaven, NC. This marina is owned by a lovely couple. We met some nice folks and had a good night here.


We traveled to Oriental, NC and stayed at the Oriental Harbor Inn and Marina. We spent 2 nights, had a nice meal at the restaurant, met more nice people and enjoyed the tiki bar. This was our first day idle since we left. It was nice to have some downtime.


We arrived after a short day on the water at Morehead City Yacht Basin. Our grandson, CJ, and his wife, Kayla, came to visit and gave us a ride to West Marine and to the Buffalo Wild Wings for lunch. Before we left Deltaville, I had called Clare for help with a crisis we were experiencing. The Walmart close to Deltaville was out of diet coke syrup for our sodastream machine. I ordered some and had it shipped to the Walmart in New Bern where Clare picked it up. She and Bob drove the 30 miles from New Bern to Morehead City to bring us the syrup so we wouldn't run out. We are so blessed with good friends.


Our first offshore run for this trip. We left out the Beaufort Inlet, traveled about 70 miles, and came back in at the Masonboro Inlet at Wrightsville Beach. We spent the night in an anchorage just inside the inlet. This was a nice day's run.


We waited for higher tides today for our trip to Southport, NC on the Cape Fear River. They are some skinny places along the AICW and we needed the higher tides to get through. We arrived at Southport Marina around 1pm, fueled up and took a slip. We ended up staying here 3 nights waiting for some weather to pass. We rented a car one day and did some sightseeing. This is probably the best marina we've been in. Everyday they have a weather briefing and talk about trouble spots on the AICW. The problem is, this time of year everyone is heading north for the summer and we were heading south. The guy doing the briefings went out of his way to make sure we had a copy of the materials for going south.

4-29-2016 / 4-30-2016

We made an overnight trip offshore from Cape Fear River inlet to Charleston Harbor inlet. We left around 2 on the 29th and arrived in Charleston around 10 a.m. the next morning. We are staying at Charleston Harbor Marina.

That catches us up with our travels. The next hop is to Jacksonville, FL, another overnight run. Weather will keep us here for several days before we push on. We'll play that by ear. The bow thruster on MGT has gone out and we're going to look into fixing it when we get to Jacksonville.  Ernie is still a wonderful boat driver, even without a bow thruster.

Thursday, April 7, 2016

We left South Padre Island on March 10 to start our trip back to Virginia and More Good Timin'.
First stop, Pleasanton, TX to visit with Ernie's sister Shannon.  Next, we traveled to Oak Island, Texas to join TMCA for Doc's St. Patrick's Fish Fry at Marker 17.  This was a really good time and gave us a chance to say goodbye to a lot of friends.

Next stop was Poche's RV Park and Fish Camp in Breaux Bridge, LA.  Getting here was iffy due to all the flooding in Texas and Louisiana.  In fact, the Texas/Louisiana border was closed due to flooding the day after we  crossed it.  We were high and dry at Poche's and spent 4 days enjoying Acadiana.  Even though we had passed this way by water several times, we had not visited the Tabasco Factory until this trip.  We also ate at Victor's Cafeteria in our search of Dave Robicheaux.  We were able to have dinner with Ernie's cousin Terry and her husband Rod at Pat's Fisherman's Wharf Restaurant.

Poche's RV Park
Poche's RV Park
Ernie likes big peppers

Big bottles of Tabasco

Dinner with Terry and Rod

Tuesday, February 23, 2016

Without further ado...

When last I left off, we had decided to stay in Texas for the winter and take care of Ernie's knees. On November 4, Ernie had his left knee replaced. This is no small operation, whew! He spent 3 nights in St. Luke's Hospital in the Woodlands and another 6 nights at Kindred Rehabilitation Hospital in Webster before coming home to the motor home. Ernie did really well but climbing the 5 steps up into the motor home was too much until he had some time to heal. The morning after surgery, they had him up and walking, although slowly. Rehab started that day and continued through the end of the year. It had previously been decided that the right knee was probably good for another couple of years and only needed a tune-up (our words) and not a replacement. The surgery on his right knee was done on January 15. Ernie's doctor did a super job on both knees and we're really glad we used him. Ernie's doctor turned him loose on the world at the first of February. If you're interested in how a knee is replaced, this YouTube illustration is pretty close to how it was done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXXPKWCBqYk.

Immediately, plans were being made to start moving again. I think the gypsy blood runs pretty strong in both of us. The old trusty Nissan Xterra was not capable of being dinghy (flat) towed behind the motor home so a search started for another car that could be flat towed. We ended up purchasing a 2013 GMC Terrain. It's a really cute, mid-sized SUV. All the parts were ordered and the towing plate, breakaway switch, and electrical modifications were made. We purchased a used Blue Ox towbar and brakes from the same guy we bought the motor home from. We made reservations and on February 10th, we left Clear Lake Shores and headed for South Padre Island.

That is where we are now! The weather here is outstanding. Lows in the low to mid 60's and highs in the mid to high 70's. No need for air conditioning or heating. Somewhere I read that the average winter temp is 65 and the average age of the winter visitors is also 65. A nice breeze is blowing all the time. We are at Isla Blanca Park, the largest RV park in Texas with 600 spaces. This place is pretty nice. Most all the spaces are full and mostly with snowbirds. We've been going to the beach and working on our tans, exploring, sightseeing and generally kickin' back. We'll be here until March 10 before moving on.

When we do leave here, we'll head to San Antonio for a day to visit with Ernie's sister, then off to Oak Island, TX for Doc's Famous Fish Fry at Marker 17. Next stop, New Orleans, where we hope to catch up with friends who left Clear Lake around March 1 on their boats, headed for Florida. We're not sure about what's next but we will stay in Jacksonville, Fl for a couple of days, make our way to New Bern for several days and wind up back in Virginia sometime after March 25. The RV park we'll be staying at in Virginia doesn't open up until March 25 so that's our earliest date.

Once back in Virginia, we'll start the process of getting More Good Timin' back into cruising mode. All the keel and rudder work has been completed but all the pieces aren't put back together yet. MGT has been winterized for the freezing, cold Virginia weather. My favorite part is that her fresh water system has been filled with vodka to keep from freezing. All I have to do is open a tap to have my drink of choice, LOL! All her systems have to be checked out and I'm sure there's going to be a lot of cleaning necessary after being on the hard for 7.5 months. Once we can move back on board, we will place the motor home in storage at the same RV park we will be staying. When everything is performing to our satisfaction and the weather cooperates, we'll start our trip back south on MGT.

Once back on the water, we hope to have friends join us for a few of the legs heading south. Our plans are only a set of criteria right now. We'll wait for good weather for our offshore legs and we'll stay and sightsee many of the ports along the way. We are both very excited about getting back to MGT but now having had a taste of the RV life, I think we'll be splitting our time between the road and the water.

Channel in from the Gulf of Mexico to Port Isabell

Sunset from the Coconut Bar, South Padre Island

Driving through the dunes, SPI

Saturday, October 10, 2015

Gosh, where to start! I looked back on my past blogs and the last one was dated 6/23/2015. So much has changed in that time. I guess starting from the beginning is the only way to get it all out there, so this is going to be a long post.

We were enjoying our time in the Northern Neck of Virginia and making plans to start our trip south. We had been studying the charts and guides and had a plan to start on September 8 or as close to that day as weather allowed. We planned to take the ICW to Beaufort, NC and then coastal hop to Charleston, then Fernandina Beach, along the Florida east coast, settling in Marathon for the winter before heading back to Texas in spring of 2016.

We needed some maintenance on the engine shaft dripless seal so we started looking for a yard to haul MGT for Ernie to do the work. After talking to the yard we originally chose, it was decided that it would be necessary for us to remove the forestay to use their travel lift. MGT has a B&R rig, meaning it has no backstay, and we weren't real sure what removing the forestay would mean, even thought it would be otherwise supported. We sought recommendations and did our research, and chose to go to Zimmerman Marine in Deltaville, VA. Once MGT was hauled, it was decided to also change the cutlass bearing while the shaft was out, clean the bottom and repair the head sail. We expected to pick the boat up in 2 days. We left the boat yard with our friends Jim and Margie for an oyster lunch on our way back to stay with them for a few days. We didn't make it to lunch before the yard called and asked us to return so they could show us something. With our hearts in our throats, we turned around and headed back. When we arrived, we found that the fairing at the keel to keel stub seal was broken and water was seeping out. This was very bad news and presented a truly unsafe situation with MGT. It became clear immediately that our September 8 date had slipped. We contacted our insurance company and got the ball rolling so repairs could begin. The keel would have to be dropped to check for any further damage and that the keel bolts had not been compromised. Before the keel can be dropped, the mast must be removed and numerous pumps, filters, etc in the upper bilge must be removed to allow access to the keel bolts.

Of course, at this point, you're probably wondering what caused this to happen. We had a bottom job done at the end of June in preparation for our cruise and the bottom, keel to keel stub joint, rudder and everything else was just fine. We had an incident in Contraband Bayou, near Lake Charles, LA, on only our 3rd day out from Kemah. We hit something, we thought cypress knees, and were stuck, unable to go forward or backward. We required a tow to get out of the situation. This pressure on the keel and rudder is what caused the damage. We hired a diver that same afternoon to inspect the bottom for damage and he did not see any. We also had divers clean the bottom on 3 other times in our travels. No one noted any damage. Our haul out in Deltaville was the first time MGT was hauled since her bottom job in June.

To make a truly bad day worse, when we returned to our friend's house, the starter on my car had gone out. We called a wrecker and got that fixed the next day. We were feeling pretty beat up.

On the next day, we started looking for a place to stay. Jim and Margie would've had us for the duration but we didn't want to take advantage of our friends who have been so kind to us. We found a studio apartment in a hotel in Newport News, Va.

We met with Rick, the insurance company's surveyor, and went over the damage. The yard prepared a preliminary estimate to remove the keel and check for any further damage. This was submitted to us, the insurance company and the surveyor. The surveyor then submitted his findings to the insurance company and they could then make their determination. It took about 10 days for us to get the okay from the insurance company and turn the yard loose on the repairs. The schedule for the repairs was 4 to 5 weeks if no other damage was noted.

Our plan to start heading south had just slipped to the end of the first week of October. This would give us time to get back on the boat, test our systems, provision and be underway around mid-October. Still doable.

We decided to kill a couple of weeks by driving back to Texas and visit friends and family. We had also decided to start looking for a motor home to buy. We started by visiting with Katie for a couple of days then on to Austin to see Larissa and Kai and a last stop in New Braunfels to look at motor homes. Back in the Kemah area, our friend Roberta offered up her travel trailer for us to stay in. We took her up on that offer and had our own place. We saw a few motor homes we liked but they all had some very expensive problems. Then another friend called and her sister and husband were looking to sell their well kept and maintained motor home and just like that we bought a motor home. We could not pass this one up, even knowing that we would have to put it in storage very shortly so we could get back to Virginia and MGT.

Next, we received a supplementary estimate from the boat yard for required fiberglass work for damage which became apparent after the keel was dropped. Once again the surveyor had to be contacted and recommendations sent to the insurance company for their approval. Another week lost and our earliest completion date is now mid to the end of October. We're pushing our leaving deadline but still doable if all goes well. The good news was the keel bolts were unaffected and would not require further work.
MGT and her keel were moved inside to begin the fiberglass work and reattaching of the keel.

All this time the keel has been our main concern. Nobody noticed that the rudder had also sustained damage. The boat yard provided pictures and an estimate to the surveyor, who will make his recommendation to the insurance company, who will make their decision.

That is where we are now. There is no longer any chance of getting out of the Chesapeake by November 1. We have no desire to freeze to death and dodge northers all the way to Florida. We're staying in Texas. In our motor home that seemed to just happen and now won't go into storage. The boatyard will winterize MGT after the work is completed and we'll go back for her first of April 2016.

This is our first boat insurance claim and the process is new to us and frustrating. The insurance company, surveyor, and the boatyard have all been very helpful and have made every effort to get us going on time. More stuff just keeps coming up. The time for paperwork has always been as timely as possible.

If this sounds like an ordeal, you're right. But if we hadn't hauled the boat for maintenance, we would not have known about the keel. Loss of a keel is a catastrophic, life threatening event. We are at a boat yard large enough, experienced enough, with a great reputation because we didn't want to drop our forestay. All our wonderful friends have been there for us all along the way. The support of our family has never waivered. When the right motor home came along, we bought it knowing it would have to be stored almost immediately. Now it is our home for the winter until we get back to MGT. Every step along the way, no matter how frustrating or depressing, led to the best thing that needed doing.

We are two very blessed people. Our time cruising has been teaching me patience since the beginning. I'm also learning that things do turn out for the best. The past two months have been an emotional roller coaster, never knowing if we were coming or going. I'm ready for that to settle down for a while. We're taking care of health issues while we're in Texas this winter. Ernie has been experiencing considerable pain in both his knees for the past year. He has seen doctors along the way for steroid shots in the knee for the pain. He has an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon for October 20th to start the process to get both his knees replaced this winter. We're going to be so ready to get back to MGT and back underway in the spring.

If you've read our story to this point, you'd probably like to see some pictures. The yard maintains a dropbox for progress pictures for us. You don't have to join dropbox to look at the pictures, just close the box if you are asked to join. And the link is … https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jc2vn38vi7gzggq/AACdboY9IASPlwDnBQ-FSdlZa?oref=e